Does anyone carry some sort of "contact device" for SD?

[swiftness]

One MO time for Brother AL and Mr. TODD! The Strap of the Snap Hook is Flat Spring Loaded, with a 10 oz. payload As hide in plain sight as a Carbiner yet Hits like a Roofing Hammer   Gotta LUV it


LD

It's beautiful!!! Where can I get one of those?

[astrogiblet]

I carry a surefire flashlight-like flashlight from www.dealextreme.com with a pretty sharp tactical bezel around it.. Never had to use it but I imagine it would be quite effective if you hit a BG in the right places/pressure points.



-Brandon

[Dirty Bob]

Like jackknife, I favor a walking stick or cane, because it can be in my hands, is very effective, and very low profile.

If you want a great intro to saps and blackjacks, I bow to Don Rearic, who wrote this essay.

Regards,
Dirty Bob

[M65]

I carry a leather sap in the backpocket, an inova x5 and a top popper but the last two have other purposes (inova is a light, duh, and the top popper works mostly as a keychain and a bottle opener). The sap is my go-to piece, was lucky enough to get one from a retired quality sap maker.

[58sniper]

I also carry the 16" asp baton when CC of a handgun is not legal....usually what I take with me when I travel out of state.

Collapsible batons aren't legal for civilians to carry here in Michigan. Of course, neither are fixed blade knives, and OC spray higher than 2%. I need to start calling my legislators. Oh, and we're one of three states that don't allow civilian carry of electronic stun devices, too.

[mr.squatch]

I have an asp baton in each vehicle and in Tx now anyone can carry a loaded firearm in their vehicle no permit required (no felons obviously). I've also been known to cut up old leaky garden hoses into 3-4ft lengths to leave lying around in vehicles. I've been hit casually with one and it was one of the worst pains I have ever had. Try to hit someone with one and they will not continue towards you. Light, flexible and legal as far as I know. You could even wrap it around your waist while walking.

One item that hasn't been mentioned that I can imagine would be legal even in the UK is the cold steel sharkie

http://www.cop-supply.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16142&cat=253&page=2

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[gan1hck]

I also carry the 16" asp baton when CC of a handgun is not legal....usually what I take with me when I travel out of state.

[jnathan]

I normally carry a 16" ASP, works for a myriad of things, not to mention SD.  Have had co-workers, contractors, etc., ask me what it is, I just tell them that it's a flashlight.  When they ask to see it, I tell them the batteries are dead and I need to get some more.......... 

I tried a 21", but just didn't conceal as well and it LOOKED like a baton. 

Finally someone posts about carrying an ASP baton.  I've been thinking about buying one and your explanation will be helpful.  I understand your suggestion that 21" looked a lot like a baton, but I'm really curious how useful a 16" baton really is.  I'm approaching this more from a Kali, Thai sword and silat background.

[alwilliam]

That's been my trouble, most knucks are made for big paws. Wouldn't wanna sell that TP would you...?   I've been wanting to set an extra one back.

Sorry BRO...in my sea of duster type impact items the TP is the top dog.

The design IMO  is A truly EFFECTIVE working impact item,bottle opener and just a real cool piece.

I still kick my self for selling off my other version and really miss my strider version......

[alwilliam]

I'd give my left .... for either one - preferring for the knife. I would love to add them to my collection of nefarious weapons.

That is the knife and baton..pic shows cover over the blade,I have a pile of pic of this item can post some better shots.

I sold this item for 800.00 2 weeks ago. It was the very rare version that the cheap ally 1980s era ones were a copy of.

[58sniper]

If I'm not mistaken I think that may be a ballistic baton. Years ago when I remember seeing the ballistic knives more frequently, the batons were out there too. I think they would sell the knife without the spring to fire it, but it was included with the baton.

I'd give my left .... for either one - preferring for the knife. I would love to add them to my collection of nefarious weapons.

[ddashner]

Is that a ballistic knife at the top? I haven't seen one of those in years.

If I'm not mistaken I think that may be a ballistic baton. Years ago when I remember seeing the ballistic knives more frequently, the batons were out there too. I think they would sell the knife without the spring to fire it, but it was included with the baton.

[Rob72]

The dalton "hard ride" is a very comfortable and hard hitting duster...It will only fit a large hand well.

I carry dusters and avoid trouble at all costs...

That's been my trouble, most knucks are made for big paws. Wouldn't wanna sell that TP would you...?   I've been wanting to set an extra one back.

[callmekipling]

A cut off piece of broomstick can be a very effective weapon, espcially if it is a hickory or ash stick. Thin and light enough for a very high velocity swing with a snap strike method. Yes they are carried openly for self defence, but it is leagal to do so. It works against dogs or punks looking for an easy mark of an older victim.

How do you justify its legality?  I'm thinking you'd still get nabbed for having a club.  Oh - and where do you live (state laws etc)?

cos if so, I've got a stickball bat (yeah, they sell 'em for like eight bucks at modell's) that is ready and willing for a conversion!

I'm a huge fan of the AA minimag.  Never had to bash with it - but it goes everywhere, even the courthouse (though I wasn't the one in cuffs) and the hospital.  yeah, there are brighter lights out there, but none that I've beat so hard (either for the sake of guilt or structural integrity!)

[JeffLrrp]

Im assuming that the Surefire 6P Defender qualifies as a impact device. 

[alwilliam]

The dalton "hard ride" is a very comfortable and hard hitting duster...It will only fit a large hand well.

I carry dusters and avoid trouble at all costs...

[peacefuljeffrey]

I have carrried all these items at least 2-3 times.

It's interesting that they would design a set of knuckles like that one on the left.  I can't see that being anatomically correct, with the arch to the finger holes.  When I make a fist, my fingers don't space that way.  The row of my four tarsals or phalanges or whatever they're called is kind of straight across.  And the palm part of that looks like it'd rip you up when contact occurred.

I don't hold with using brass knuckles.  Just not my style.  They seem to scream, "I'm the type who's looking for trouble -- a ruffian."  I don't want to have to escape that kind of assessment by a cop, judge or jury.

[58sniper]

I would NOT ever carry these devices but they are some odd "contact devices".

Is that a ballistic knife at the top? I haven't seen one of those in years.

[alwilliam]

What is the silver thing to the right of the knuckles?

My guess is a otf lighter....

[cubemonkey]

i was both military and civilian law enforcement for many years and still do insurance investigation so i have been on both ends of impact weapons and knives many times.  i even got shot once back in the 80's.

  here is a small part of my collection

What is the silver thing to the right of the knuckles?

[RGNY]

Fits the description of a "slung shot", which is illegal in many jurisdictions.

+1.

silly, but enough to get you jammed up.

[cubemonkey]

But it's only about the length of one of Stormdrane's monkey fist fobs.

[temujin]

What do you guys think of a 1" steel bb in a monkey's fist made of 1/4" utility rope?

Fits the description of a "slung shot", which is illegal in many jurisdictions.

[cubemonkey]

What do you guys think of a 1" steel bb in a monkey's fist made of 1/4" utility rope?

[jackknife]

I often see older folks going for walks, and they carry a stick. I laugh as at times it is only a cut off broom stick, but what else can you say you carry it for but protection?

Most of my laws here dealing with these so called "illigetimate" items pertain to carrying them concealed. These sticks I mention are carried openly. where does all this come into play?

A cut off piece of broomstick can be a very effective weapon, espcially if it is a hickory or ash stick. Thin and light enough for a very high velocity swing with a snap strike method. Yes they are carried openly for self defence, but it is leagal to do so. It works against dogs or punks looking for an easy mark of an older victim. It also sends a message that one is willing to fight for what they have, and most criminals are not looking for a fight. Even from a senior citizen. Besides, the criminal will not know what kind of training that old guy with the cut off broomstick has. Many cultures have a long history of stick fighting, and it may surprise you what can be done with a stick that you think is too light to do anything  much in the way of damage. As a senior citizen I carry a stout blackthorn walking stick most everyplace I go. Its went right on airliners with me with the only comment from the TSA people was that it was a nice walking stick. Crook top canes are good too.

I've felt for years that a stick makes a far better weapon than a knife as it can be taken anyplace, has much longer reach, and has imediate crippling effect from blunt force truma to nerves and bone. Our nieghborhood watch teams all carry a stick of some sort,  and we've practiced various techniques.

As far as smaller impact devises go, I use a AA minimag with the LED Nite-ez conversion. Its a leagal under the radar tool that will make an impression on a criminals dental work when used right. Unfortunatly most blackjacks and brass knuckles will only get you arrested. As mentioned by another poster, a tire pressure guage works well too.

[MattW]

Nice work TODD1.  I forgot that I even owned a sap.  Never thumped anyone with it, but did watch my sister's boyfriend thump himself in the head with it.  Not too bright.

[alwilliam]

Many a bone was hit with this sap. A friend gave me a few of his items .....here is his badge and 1 of his saps.I learned a lot of great impact tricks form this LEO.

[alwilliam]

I would NOT ever carry these devices but they are some odd "contact devices".

[Inner Prop]

Which one is that?

[lcranston]

I always enjoy pics of alwilliam's stuff.  I like that Dalton Warfist.

[Inner Prop]

alwilliam you must like thumping people.

[alwilliam]

I have carrried all these items at least 2-3 times.

[Pieman666]

Some of my stuff....

[Cotherion]

EDC my Top-Popper and DIY Koppo.

[0dBm]

Nothing man-made with that specific intent, although my flashlight, pen, keys, and brass belt buckle might qualify.  Otherwise, the ball of my feet, heels, knees, elbows, palm heel, and knuckles would invariably be "contact devices."

[Cotherion]

The Snap hook of Loandr.'s look really really good! Can any of you nice gentleman point little fat me to the proper link or website? 

I have (for now)...

1) Dixie Top-Popper (comfortable, beautiful and punches like a dream  )
2) Titanium Bullet-Head Koppo by lcranston (with my super dooper tacticool custom paracord wrap  )
3) Comtech Stinger (on heavy lump of keys  )

Planning to get...
1) Hinderer Kubaton (Pen attachment with Strider Stripes)
2) HideAwayKnife aka HAK in Hybrid design with Strider Stripes,
3) Raid-Ops Wild Duck 2, (Ti, cause I'm worth it  )
4) Raid-Ops Battle Crab, (In what else, TI!!!)

Operation "Buy Stuff Till I Go Bankrupt" is proceeding smoothly

PS : He/She who dies with most stuff, wins!!!

[temujin]

I don't carry a dedicated "contact implement". For a number of reasons. My personal favorite, a collapsible baton, is illegal in my jurisdiction. They also tend to be heavy and/or bulky and for me, don't pay their "weigh".

With that said, my knives and lights can and do function decently well as kubotan or olisi palad. But I've only used them this way when I did not have time to open a knife.

[mpi]

i was both military and civilian law enforcement for many years and still do insurance investigation so i have been on both ends of impact weapons and knives many times.  i even got shot once back in the 80's.

  here is a small part of my collection

[dtrain]

My MiniMag Flashlight and when I am out and about the truck on a closed yard my 18 inch crowbar that i use for checking tires.

Dtrain

[boomstick]

I don't believe I've read a single account on this forum of anyone actually using an impact weapon against an assailant. If you've had an encounter and would like to chime in with it, I'd like to hear it.

I'm very good at talking situations down, so I've not actually hit anyone but it's come very close in the past. we caught some teenages spraying graffitti the side of the office, after we chased them off they came back in numbers and stormed the office looking for a fight but using my war face, I convinced them they should leave the building. but the closest was just a few nights ago when my collegue dicided to sneak up on me after hours in the office when we were closed, I'd heard something and thought it was an assailant, he jumped out to startle me a nearly got one of Todd's snap saps round the ear

[PocketWad]

I posed the question, but I hope I made it clear that I carry a short stick for the possibility of assault only--which is a bit different than fighting.

Alcohol and people of less-than-average intelligence is rarely a good combination. In a former life I tended bar for a number of years, so I know. Don't ever let some drunken idiot suck you into a fight--either for him or with him. Fights never have good endings.

[Clancy]

I have heard similar stories to knuckledusters, about friends having to "back up" their buddies after they run their mouth off.
Helping out your brother is one thing, but if a buddy deserved it, and he's not getting swarmed, I am not doing a sweet thing to help him.
This reminds me, my brother is getting a pair of knuck from me that I just recieved, I have to go over the finer points of carrying them with him.

[knuckleduster]

I don't believe I've read a single account on this forum of anyone actually using an impact weapon against an assailant. If you've had an encounter and would like to chime in with it, I'd like to hear it.

1. When I was 19 I was at a punk rock gig. My brother whio is as crazy as an outhouse rodent punched a girl while taking a drunken swing at someone else (he later punched me in the nose - idiot). The singer from the band came off the stage and and punched my brother in the face opening a gash. I pushed my bro into a corner, turned and saw a group of very upset folks coming towards us. I pulled out my set of brass knuckles and expected to take a beating due to shear numbers and my complete lack of fighting ability. Fortunately, no one in the crowd wanted to risk the free dental work I was offering. They backed off and we ran away!

2 Same brother pulled out a set of knuckled while drunk in a bar. Bouncers took it off him after restraining him then used it on him. Worst beating I have ever seen the result of (I was not there)

Lessons learned:
Don't go drinking with my brother!
Learn weapon retention skills
A weapon can stop a fight without being used - but you damn well better be prepared to use it!

[a35335]

I don't believe I've read a single account on this forum of anyone actually using an impact weapon against an assailant. If you've had an encounter and would like to chime in with it, I'd like to hear it.

Is that two-legged or four-legged?   

Never used anything on two-legged, but numerous times against canines.

R

[PocketWad]

For the past few months I've always carried something that will function as a short self-defense stick. Usually it's a Cold Steel Mini Koga, but sometimes the larger Koga that resembles the classic Yawara stick. I have a generic Kubotan that I sometimes carry on my keychain. I also sometimes carry a small flashlight, a Minimag (the single bulb replaced with the 3-lamp LED aftermarket setup from Niteize) or an Inova X5 (which is just a bit short for my liking). If I suspect there'll be a problem with my carrying a self-defense stick, such as on an airplaine, I'll carry some sort of a pen, a Super Sharpie or a Waterman ballpoint (the Koga will ride in my checked baggage).

Of course, now that I always carry a stick, I know I'll never have occasion to use it.

My wife carries a Mini Koga and a flashlight in her book bag. She doesn't look or act or move or talk like a victim--and she could kill a man with one lash of her tongue--so I know she'll never need the Koga either. But women are inherently afraid of being assaulted, so just having it with her makes her feel better.

I don't believe I've read a single account on this forum of anyone actually using an impact weapon against an assailant. If you've had an encounter and would like to chime in with it, I'd like to hear it.

[Vic303]

What about a tire knocker?  Those are sold legally in the US (Duluth trading co) usually has them.  I have a homemade one from a 18" length of Osage Orange.  Good for whacking fish and snapping turtles too.  And tires! 

[knuckleduster]

I have been carrying either a Jay-Pee Short Slugger sap or a copy of a Bucheimer Junior sap made by a friend of mine. The more I use and handle saps and blackjacks, the more impressed I get with them.

[Sharpdogs]

I believe ASP sells a cap that makes your baton serve double duty as a flashlight.  Then you have the best of both worlds.

[a35335]

I normally carry a 16" ASP, works for a myriad of things, not to mention SD.  Have had co-workers, contractors, etc., ask me what it is, I just tell them that it's a flashlight.  When they ask to see it, I tell them the batteries are dead and I need to get some more.......... 

I tried a 21", but just didn't conceal as well and it LOOKED like a baton. 

Works well on dogs, if my DazerII doesn't work (and it doesn't on deaf dogs!).  Also carry a Stinger, but it doesn't have the reach that the ASP has..........  Lots of dogs in my line of work, and if you need a baton or a flashlight, well, you've let them get too close! Really not fun (spec., major pucker factor) to whack a pit bull on the nose, but it sure does deter them.

Most anything is better than your hands, especially with a dog.
 
R

[Clancy]

I have one of these on the way, I won't post where here becaue he is back logged already, but I told him to set up shop here in due time, so keep your eyes peeled.
Its a 1/2 inch ball bearing in a monkey fist, mine is international orange and 8 inches of cord.

[Grizzlybear]

just a 26" asp for "dogs", and a 21" asp for the second wave of dogs, a knurled kubaton to hold my Garrity led. Yet I have never used any of the above to handle any confrontation in the past twenty years.  Mush prefer open palm and just breaking limbs.