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Consolidated Pocket & Keychain Organization Thread

Discussion in 'Where, When, & How Do We Carry All This Stuff?' started by jag-engr, Feb 11, 2011.

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    For the benefit of the EDCF community, I have consolidated into one thread numerous ideas found while browsing this forum and, to a lesser extent, the web in general. These ideas all share a common theme of pocket organization. Most of us here carry more in our pockets than the average person. This thread is about ideas for innovative carry solutions, focusing on what have been called on this forum "pocket-pockets" and various keychain organization, carry, and silencing methods. Enjoy!


    Pocket Organization Cases - Scroll down to Post #2 or click link


    Keychain Organization Systems - Scroll down to Post #3 or click link
    • Split-Ring-Based Carry Systems
    • Rivet-Based Carry Systems
    • Folder-Based Carry Systems
    • Modern / Conceptual Carry Systems

    Keychain Accessory Items - Scroll down to Post #4 or click link
    • Pocket Clip Variants
    • Keychain Silencing Systems


    Coming Soon: Innovative Lanyards
    Compilation of unique, utilitarian lanyard designs, preferably with tritium vials.


    Fine Print:
    Except where indicated otherwise, these are other peoples ideas. I'm just compiling them in one location. If you have an idea that you feel belong in this thread, feel free to PM me a link or post in this thread. If I have inadvertently attributed your original idea to someone else, I apologize. Please notify me and send me a link so that I can give you credit.
    Last edited by jag-engr, Jun 15, 2012
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    "Pocket-Pocket" / "Slip Case" / Gear Wallet Systems

    coyote's "EDC Pocket Kits"
    * made of stitched leather
    + wear well, classy
    - require basic DIY sewing/leather-working skills

    Here are some posts by kwesi and dimeotane later in coyote's thread which show very similar designs.


    jag-engr's Elastic Pocket Organizer
    * a super cheap, super easy pocket organizers designed by yours truly
    + cheap, easy to construct
    - lacks sophistication
    - durability unknown (UPDATE: the main issue I have is with the staples loosening)
    Note: I once one did the same thing with double up Tyvek - it lacked the elasticity and wore out quickly.


    heathah's Leather "Portable Pocket"
    + durable
    - require basic DIY sewing/leatherworking skills
    - bulky compared to some options
    Here's an improved version later in the thread - definitely less bulky.
    Here's my favorite of heathah's designs.

    Here are similar designs by alphaferrite and rioredgt.


    parnass's "Accommodating Pocket-Pocket"
    * elastic band and peg board
    + durable
    - stiff and probably not very pocket-friendly for some


    jsmitty's Cloth "Slip Case"
    * made of stitched cloth
    + probably wears well
    + lighter and thinner than leather
    - require basic DIY sewing skills


    Anak's Pocket Pouches - designed by Anak, crafted by Mrs. Anak
    * made of stitched cloth
    * rounded for front pocket carry
    + probably wears well
    + lighter and thinner than leather
    - require intermediate DIY sewing skills


    N1XIO's Modified CountyComm "Pick Pocket" Case
    * made from a modification of this commercially-available case
    * similar to Anak's case above
    + probably wears well
    + lighter and thinner than leather
    + require minimal DIY skills to remove zipper
    - requires dealing with County Comm
    - may be too large for front pants pocket carry


    SgtMike's Leather Pocket Organizer
    * made by JRE Industries (presumably a custom job)
    + will wear very well
    + classy
    + designed not to print
    - heavier and bulkier than some organizers
    - may be a tad large for front pocket carry in dress pants
    - cost $$


    kludge's Homemade Pocket Organizer - bi-fold gear wallet
    * made of stitched cloth
    * corners rounded for pocket carry
    + lighter and thinner than leather
    + quick-access pocket on the outside
    + slimmer than commercially available options
    - somewhat bulky looking for front pocket carry
    - require intermediate DIY sewing skills
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    Split-Ring-Based Carry Systems

    chaka's chopped-down house keys
    + reduces key volume and weight
    - doesn't really provide a new carry system or help with key jingling

    EDCF Keychain Spider
    + keys, tools, and toys can be easily detached
    + purchase of this product supports the forum
    + spreads keys out in pocket if hanging
    - makes noise if hanging, creates "pocket lump" if not hanging
    - adds considerable weight

    Split-Ring Styles:
    • typical split ring
    • D-shaped split ring
    • screw link carabiner
    • wire-gate clip

    Vintage Split-Ring-Style Keychains:
    Swift's Lard keychain - made for Swift's Silverleaf Lard to distribute at the 1934 World's Fair

    Also, here are a few other ideas at Carryology.



    Rivet-Based Carry Systems

    dieck's Ultra Ultra Minimalist Keyring
    + reduces key volume and weight - absolute minimum bulk
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + keys are more readily accessible
    - keys cannot be easily separated
    - time and trial & error required for this project

    Here's a drawing in the January 1923 Popular Mechanics that suggest a similar setup!

    gcn's Screw-Fastened Keys (best description I could come up with... :thinking:)
    + includes a keyless entry fob (thought most wouldn't work in this setup)
    + provides structure for the keys
    + requires minimal modification to keys
    - no reduction in weight
    - bulky with no improvement in carry method

    True Utility Keyring System
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + keys are more readily accessible
    + keys can be easily separated
    - no reduction in key volume or weight
    - keyring system not readily available in US
    * Review by EDCF member marsos52 here

    Vintage Ford Model T Riveted Master Key Set - almost 100 years old!

    Marine Shackle
    • available in numerous designs from numerous suppliers
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + keys are slightly less accessible than with a split ring
    - no reduction in key volume or weight
    - some shackles are heavy

    EthanF's Bike Chain Shackle
    • made with recycled bike chain, fits up to 3 keys
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + keys are more readily accessible
    - no reduction in key volume or weight
    - keys cannot be easily separated
    - requires some DIY skills and pins/screws may be hard to find


    EthanF's Bike Chain Master Link Shackle - improved version!
    • uses the master link form a bicycle chain, which allows it to be opened and closed
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + keys are more readily accessible
    + keys can be separated
    - some effort & fiddling required to separate keys
    - no reduction in key volume or weight
    - master link may be hard to find (I really don't know on this point)



    Folder-Based Carry Systems

    shadone's LM Keyman Mod
    + reduces key volume and weight
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + adds useful tools, especially scissors, so I can ditch Vic Midnite Manager
    - keys are not instantly accessible
    - keys cannot be easily separated
    - time and trial & error required for this project

    wild style's Key Carrier
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + keys are more readily accessible
    - keys cannot be easily separated
    - time and trial & error required for this project

    Crew's Gerber Curve Multi-Key
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + adds carabiner / bottle opener
    - keys are not instantly accessible
    - keys cannot be easily separated
    - time and trial & error required for this project

    Leather Pen Knife Key Case - Personal Favorite - I highly recommend this product!
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + keys can be easily separated
    + no modification needed
    - adds some weight
    - adds some volume, though not as much as it seems it would add

    "Economy Key Holder" - scroll down page to about mid-way
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + keys can be easily separated
    + no modification needed
    - adds weight
    - adds substantial volume

    DeFabricata's Aluminum Fold-Out Keyholder - machined aluminum folder case for ground-down keys
    + provides structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + reduces key volume
    + probably reduces weight
    - keys cannot be easily separated
    - major modification needed
    - prototype - not available for purchase

    bushidomosquito's Ti & G10 Key Flipper - titanium & G10 frame for cut-down keys
    + provides structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + reduces key volume
    + probably reduces weight
    + keys can be deployed individually
    - keys cannot be easily separated
    - major modification needed
    - custom or DIY only


    Modern / Conceptual Carry Systems

    Keyport
    + lightweight
    + system provides structure for individual keys
    + easy to access keys
    + prevents rattle and jabbing
    - may increase keychain volume
    - keys cannot easily be removed
    - limited to 6 keys
    - COST: over $100 with the key blanks!

    dyril's Kydex Key Sheath
    • sliding key cover very similar the KeyPort above
    + lightweight
    + system provides structure for individual keys
    + easy to access keys
    + prevents rattle and jabbing
    + minimal cost
    - requires at least moderate DIY skills and probably several iterations
    - keys cannot easily be removed
    - practically limited to 3-4 keys

    "New Simplicity" Nesting Keys - Concept Key
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    + keys can be easily separated
    + no modification needed
    + reduces key weight
    + adds no substantial volume
    - concept model only - not actually available (the only fault I could find with the system)

    Aphi's Folding Keychain
    + provides some structure for the keys
    + silences keys
    - keys cannot be easily separated
    - very little known about this product

    Pocket Key Holder - Pat. No. 4417612 ( PDF with sketches here )
    + carries keys flat
    + silences keys
    + keys could be easily separated, depending on design
    - very little known about this product - probably does not exist IRL
    - keys may be difficult to access
    - some increase in volume

    BladeKey - composite fiber material (G-10?) is shaped to a allow key folder secured with a zip-tie
    + silences keys
    + light-weight
    + commercially available
    - keys cannot be easily separated
    - very little known about this product - relatively new
    - keys may be difficult to access
    - some increase in volume



    Other Carry Systems

    Exploriment's Hang'mups - Alternate version here
    • DIY paracord braid with keys and tools attached at intervals
    • falls somewhere between a keychain and a pocket organizer
    + reduces 'clumping' of large keychains with a lot of tools
    + could reduce noise, if configured correctly
    + provides a considerable amount of paracord, if necessary
    - even though it spreads out the bulk, it also adds to it
    - heavy, probably too weight much to clip to pocket
    Last edited by jag-engr, Oct 11, 2012
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    Pocket Clip Variants

    All of the items below are variants of the pocket clip. Pocket watches have featured a clip on one end of the chain for centuries. I once read, but cannot confirm, that Sal Glesser got the idea of a pocket clip on a knife from a keychain fob that hooked over his pocket. While not a new concept, it's still one that is constantly being improved upon.

    General Analysis of Pocket Clips for Keychain Carry
    + usually lightweight
    + easy to install
    + keeps keys handy and ready to use
    - does not improve on the organizational system any - most people still use the old split ring with them

    TEC Accessories P-7 Suspension Clip
    + lightweight
    + your purchase supports the forum
    - metal clip may scratch paint

    Zwiebelkeks' Pen Cap Keychain Clip - older thread, pictures gone
    + lightweight
    + easily constructed
    - requires extra pen cap
    - likely to have a short life

    Roger999's DIY Clip from a Hacksaw Blade
    + cheap
    + springy
    - could rust
    - requires tools and some level of skill

    Here's a similar design made by jzmtl from a cheap steak knife.

    Brule's Kydex Keychain Clip
    + lightweight
    + gentle on clothes and paint
    - thinner versions will break
    - Kydex will bend over time (occurs very slowly on thicker, grey clip)

    gadgetnut's mod of the Nite-Ize eCLIPse
    + similar to P-7 Suspension clip, but it locks
    - larger than P-7 clip

    "Flat Head" or "Fish Hook" Key Hook - as sold by x-kaijin-x on eBay
    + sturdy and classy
    + several variations available
    + some variations have hole perpendicular to hook - ideal for direct split-ring attachment
    + some styles could easily be made with heavy wire
    - brass, steel, copper, and silver are all relatively heavy
    - it's a hook, not a clip - no friction
    - relatively expensive
    Note: Here is a source of a similar hook for much less: Strapya

    Wizard Brand "Hog Klip"
    + relatively cheap
    + springy - easily fits a variety of clothing
    - could catch on clothing and tear or snag
    - looks funny on pocket - like a giant paper clip


    Key Chain Silencing Systems

    Cell Safe Key Cover- apparently no longer in production
    + one hand operation
    + lightweight
    + easily installed
    + attached to keychain
    - adds bulk

    "Key Choob"
    * similar concept to the Cell Safe Key Cover, but still commercially available
    *marketed to motorcyclists who don't want keys scratching up their bikes

    Rubber Band / Hair Band
    + cheap, widely available
    + lightweight, no significant volume
    - can break easily
    - not attached to the keychain
    - two-hand operation

    bruner's DIY Keychain Silencer
    + lightweight
    + easy to use
    + attaches to keychain
    - must be dettached to use
    - adds a small amount of bulk
    - two-hand operation

    Blackhawk Duty Key Silencer
    + attaches to keychain
    + easy to use
    - adds weight
    - adds A LOT of bulk
    - noisy to operate :thinking:
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    nuphoria Loaded Pockets

    Great idea O0
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    Great idea for a thread. I am always looking for other solutions to keeping things straight in my pocket as well as not damaging one another. I also use Bill's Urban Wallet and the Mission Wallet as a pocket-pocket. You could start a section for off the shelf solutions.
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    Thanks. You helped inspire it.

    I'm definitely considering it - you'll note I've got some spaces reserved.

    johnnytest Loaded Pockets

    great job jag.

    Anak Loaded Pockets

    Man, I wish this thread had been around a year ago when I was hunting for ideas. It would have saved me a bundle of time.

    As for pocket-pockets, can I add my own to the list:

    http://edcforums.com/showthread.php/75255-Anak-s-EDC

    If I can pull it off, these might even become "off the shelf".
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    jag-engr Liberal Hall Monitor

    Your idea absolutely belongs on this list. I had tried to find it, but I couldn't remember who had posted it. See the last entry in the Pocket-Pocket post:

    Anak Loaded Pockets

    :thumbsup:

    And thank you.

    That's a substantial service you have provided for everyone.

    bltkmt Loaded Pockets

    To avoid frustration, you might want to eliminate this one...they have not been available for quite some time. I have looked, long and hard.

    Edit: and THANK YOU for doing this...very helpful!
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    jag-engr Liberal Hall Monitor

    Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I left it up but added a note that it is no longer available. I don't want to remove it from the list, as it is a straight-forward solution that a lot of people could probably fabricate for themselves if they so desired.

    You're welcome. I've been through the "best knife" and "best flashlight" phases of EDC OCD, now I'm on the "best-organized-pockets" phase. I see great ideas on this forum all the time, but when I want to take a second look or reference them for someone else, I can never find them. Now I can simply reference this thread. To be honest, I've really enjoyed creating it.
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    Thread updated to reflect alternative to split ring...
    ... but mostly to show everyone this awesome vintage keychain that I stumbled across on ebay today. I found the auction with seconds left, but I couldn't get logged in quickly enough to bid.
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    derfyled Loaded Pockets

    Jag,

    Brilliant idea, this thread should become a sticky.O0

    bltkmt Loaded Pockets

    One thing that I am on the lookout for is some sort of key "pouch" that you would put your entire keychain in, and drop in your pocket. Something like a smaller, modified Bill's Urban Wallet would work. Large enough to hold a few keys, fobs, etc. on a ring.

    Of course, I would also like to get my hands on one of those neoprene Cellsafe covers too, if anybody has one that they are not using.

    Thanks again!
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    Something like one of these items, perhaps?

    Try doing a few Google image searchs using terms like "key case", "key wallet", and "key pouch". There are a lot fo different options out there.

    hardcider75 Loaded Pockets

    Today I received a great little "wallet" called the "Po-One" from Advanced Outfitters. I'd like to post some pics but am unable to. They do have a website but this particular item isn't offered through the website. I already sent Jon a PM asking if he could help with the inability to post pics. As soon as it's resolved, I'll post a couple.

    bltkmt Loaded Pockets

    Not really, but thanks for the suggestions. Really, just a simple cordura or ballistic pouch to hold my keys in my pocket.

    hardcider75 Loaded Pockets

    Over on MilSpecMonkey ther's something that might interest you. As a matter of fact I think it's been brought up here as well. Not sure what the official name for it is but if you go to the MSM site I think it's listed under "Admin Pouches." It's made by a company in Hong Kong and IIRC retails for about $30. Not sure what the shipping would cost though.